Hires the main conflict between you and I was really that you feel a standard controller and a wiimote like controller cannot be mixed.  I think it can be done, you don't, thats pretty much where we are at.  Thats fine. We are good.

It was more the other people in that thread that kind of started to dismiss the wiimote aiming, not so much hires and rag.

dvader said:

The amount of updates we are getting is amazing, great job guys.

Anyway back at the GGD there is a thread about Cliffy saying he wants the Xbox 720 to be more like the wiimote.  Well of course everyone is bashing the idea which is fine but I suggested at least getting IR sensors so you can aim, I think that is the best aspect of the wiimote and it can be applied to normal controlers with slight modifications. Well apparently no one can aim with a wiimote, the entire thread is filled with people that say aiming with a wiimote is worse than with sticks. People saying MP3 was a pain cause of it, that TP was better on GC cause of it, its insanity. Its not that I dont believe some of these guys, I trust that rag does have issues with aiming, but its the extent of the complaints that I don't get. Its like the idea of having IR sensors is the horrible thing on earth that baffles me about that thread.

Um excuse me but who is this "everyone"? I actually like the idea myself. In fact I believe that mine was actually the first positive post in the topic.

Alright whatever, FPSs are undoubtedly better on the Wii? Oh okay, but even if I believed that (which I don't),what about the online portion of FPSs? And your point about Elebits is moot to me, in that I never said that the analogue controls offer all of the advantages.

Dvader's reply to my post in the GGD:

1. You can mix the two types of controllers I don't see what is the issue. Take a PS3 controller split it in half and add an IR sensor to one end, (you need to move some buttons around), but you don't lose buttons, you can still use two sticks if you want or usethe better IR aiming.

2.The game that shows this the most is RE4, its like a totally different experience with the wiimote. I don't look forward to having to go back to sticks with RE5.

3. Sorry that you cant aim with it but just cause you cant do it does not mean its not good, practice, learn it, I am sure it was the same way with sticks at first.

My Reply:

1. Did you miss what I stated about controllers that offer both? It doesn't work.

2. Exactly, you made my point for me. Why do you think I've played on consoles for this long, when the PC has always offered the most superior controls?

3. I shouldn't have to in order to play new console games.

You want to play games with motion controls, that is fine, as their are consoles that offer this option...I don't know want to and their are millions of other games that obviously feel the same way, but we wouldn't have an option if you had your way. That is unfair.

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archangel3371 said:

Um excuse me but who is this "everyone"? I actually like the idea myself. In fact I believe that mine was actually the first positive post in the topic.

I can attest that. Archangel's was the first favorable opinion over there.

hiresdes said:

"I've played with the Wii and I really can't aim for **** with that thing, and looking at the PS3's Siaxxis it was a complete failure because you either need a controller that is completely traditional or you need one that only has IR sensors as it makes things much easier on the devs. It just doesn't work when you have a controller that can do both, and basically I think its silly to want every system to be a carbon copy of the wii when its obvious that their is still a market for traditional controlled games. I never understood what was the big deal about the wii-mote when it comes to aiming anyway, the Wii's best games are not shooters, and the aiming really isn't any more intuitive than light-guns were 10 years ago..."

Ah I understand that.

Not about the can't aim for **** comment though man you must be really bad. Advice I'd give is practice. Some games are easier to get into than others but generally it takes an hour or so to get synched up to wii FPS controls.

It just doesn't work when you have a controller that can do both , I get you, like the sixaxis you mean, it has to be shaped for IR like the wii control. Oh I see what you were saying.

I don't think it's silly to copy wii controls, but these companies are probably thinking more about business more than anything else and the success of the system is what is driving that.

I agree, many of the wii's best games aren't shooters but that's not because of the system, just the graphics obsessed FPS developers. Functionally when you are talking controls and aiming, the wii is the better option no doubt.

Not sure how I feel about the light gun comment. Nintendo has managed to factor in a lightfun functionality, capuring the immediacy, the tactfulness, the superior speed and aiming of a lightfun, with controls that can work in games other than light gun style games. In FPS too for instance. It's just easier and faster and more accurate and more fun to just plain aim in any game where you have to point and shoot. That even concerns simply navigating through menus. Smash bros is a great example, leaving out IR for the stage builder is stupid, elebits and boom blox create modes are great because of IR control.

GG, where is Yomi these days?

steelattack said:

archangel3371 said:

Um excuse me but who is this "everyone"? I actually like the idea myself. In fact I believe that mine was actually the first positive post in the topic.

I can attest that. Archangel's was the first favorable opinion over there.

Although I will admit that it wasn't perhaps explained and detailed as dvader's. It was mostly just an 'I like the idea' kind of post. I absolutely loved some of things that were done with it in Galaxy but outside of that game my experience with it is still pretty limited. I did find most things in Zelda TP easier to do because of the Wii-mote functionality but I still need to try a bunch of other various games such as RE4 and RE Umbrella Chronicles to get a better feel for more of it.

edgecrusher said:

GG, where is Yomi these days?

Was ymi and yomi the same guy? Mind blown.

Here is my crazy concept art for a controller mixing of the two.

http://i34.tinypic.com/314rm6b.jpg

Zoom in a bit.  Anyway its basically a PS controller split in half. The IR sensor is where the R2 button would be, the R2 button is now a trigger like the B button on the wiimote.  For symmetry you can have L2 down there as well. You will probably have to reshape the handles a bit to allow better grip with one hand. If you'd like you can snap the two halves together for that classic controller style.

Captain Rainbow seems to me like it is being marketed for homosexuals.  Its called Captain Rainbow. It has Birdo which is a known cross dresser. Kind of odd.