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Zangeki no Reginleiv Thread: Let's hope it's not crap because it looks awesome
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Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:20:29
^Geek, can you think of any Nintendo published games that have made their way west with a different publisher?

I'm sure it had to have happened with a Hudson game at some point.

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Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:30:14
I just keep thinking of fatal frame not coming out here even though xseed was supposedly interested.
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Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:49:16

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^Geek, can you think of any Nintendo published games that have made their way west with a different publisher?

I'm sure it had to have happened with a Hudson game at some point.

 I dont know of any. 

angrymonkey said:
I just keep thinking of fatal frame not coming out here even though xseed was supposedly interested.

 Don't remind me. I'm trying to forget.

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Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:43:50
I think the box art is awesome.
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Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:46:46

SteelAttack said:
I think the box art is awesome.

The writing is reflective too.  

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Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:54:09
Edited: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:18:23

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Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:31:54

gamingeek said:

New screens

Really?

I can't distinguish them anymore. Needs water or snow or swamp or buildings or different time of day or different anything really.

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Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:41:08
What are they yelling?
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Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:10:20

angrymonkey said:
What are they yelling?

I've checked and it seems they are yelling:

KIRU! KIRU! KIRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Nyaa

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Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:54:05
Thanks.
Quick translation check...
to behead, to murder, kill

Wow - pretty direct for nintendo. Needs more taiko drums.

And off topic but this just popped into my head - what the heck did they do with foreign translations of the shining  concerning the redrum scene? Come up with another visual trick for each language?
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Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:23:57
KIRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!
angrymonkey said:
Thanks.

LOL You're welcome.

That's some pretty serious stuff to be yelling out in a trailer.

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Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:26:51
They should buy tv spots inbetween that crazies movie.
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Wed, 19 May 2010 19:25:06

Eurogamer import review:

Zangeki no Reginleiv is a terrible game, but don't hold that against it. Some of my favourite games are terrible, like Sumotori, or Michigan: Report from Hell, or Raw Danger, or Jambo! Safari, or indeed Earth Defence Force 2017, developer Sandlot's previous game. Zangeki - a Japanese-only, Wii-exclusive release - looks like a low-budget arcade game from the late nineties, it has ludicrously awful physics that send dismembered enemies whizzing comically across badly rendered landscapes, its trees look like seaweed on a stick, its cut-scenes stutter and jerk, the main characters spend half their lives caught on scenery and the camera doesn't work. Sometimes, it's enormous fun.

That's not to say that there aren't impressive things about the game. It has hundreds of different weapons, a really satisfying control system (when it works), and brilliant comic violence. You control talking hawks who transform into Norse gods on the battlefield, Frey and Freya, as they fight off a vast onslaught of ogres in order to... actually, I have no idea why. Zangeki does have a story, with cut-scenes and everything, but it's just random Norse gods being imposing at each other. You'll want to head into the options and switch the auto-skip on as soon as possible.

The meat of the game is senseless slaughter and dismemberment of these charmingly badly-animated beasts with a massive variety of weapons. Frey, the male character, can use swords, greatswords, hammers, bows and spears, equipping any two at a time. Freya, the female, is a ranged character who uses much better bows and a bizarre wand thing that spits globules of neon glass at ogres until they explode. A gauge at the bottom of the screen limits her ranged ammunition, and can be refilled by diving in with a sword for a while.

It's controlled with the Wii remote and nunchuck, with the addition of MotionPlus. You draw slashes on the screen to slice off bits of gurning ogre, achieving combos with good timing. At first it seems stupidly complicated and over-sensitive - it doesn't help that the game expects you to watch more than fifteen minutes of tutorial video rather than actually giving you an interactive tutorial (evidently the budget didn't stretch to that) - but it soon starts to click, and exploding six ogres at once into chunks with a hammer is uncomplicatedly satisfying. Each type of weapon feels significantly different to use.

'Zangeki no Reginleiv' Screenshot 1

Honestly, this is one of the clearer screens we've seen.

Most of the motion control works fine, with the occasional blip, but dodging by flinging the nunchuck in the direction you wish to evade absolutely does not. Getting out of the way of attacks is a nightmare, especially when you're in front of a big enemy and the camera automatically focusses on the top of their head for no discernible reason. It won't let you operate the camera vertically unless you change it in the options, and as soon as you do your view goes flying all over the screen until you turn the sensitivity down.

The sword-shaped cursor wobbles around the screen like crazy and spears, for some reason, are so sensitive that Frey constantly attacks with them whenever they're equipped, even when you put the remote down on a table. You can avoid the inevitable fury of wrestling with motion control by using a classic controller, but then you lose the satisfaction of chopping up monsters with vicious hacking movements.

The enemies are absurdly numerous and often enormous - so much so that the camera has a lot of problems dealing with them. Smaller ogres just split in two, but larger ones can be systematically dismembered to hilarious effect. Hack off a leg or an arm and they'll lie, limbless but still alive, wriggling on the floor, with their comically basic polygons and static expressions. Chunks of ogre go flying around the screen. Blood effects are rubbish - even worse than Earth Defence Force's - but entertaining with it.

Dead baddies scatter gems onto the landscape when they die, which you collect to make your weapons from. You get different gems for lopping different limbs from ogres, or for taking the wings of infuriating flying dragon-things to bring them aground, but it's not at all a complicated system. Nothing about Zangeki no Regenliev is complicated. The weapons tree may look daunting as it expands and expands, but really you're just choosing between a bow that kills five enemies at once pretty dead or one enemy really dead, or a hammer that swings marginally less slowly than the next one, or wands that shoot different-coloured glass globules.

The battles take place in huge and pathetically poor-looking levels. Late N64-era pop-up is everywhere. Ogres can destroy everything, from huts to trees to buildings and mountainsides. Unfortunately, Frey and Freya move around these levels amazingly slowly, leaving you skating stupidly around with the forward dodge (if you can pull it off with the infuriating nunchuck controls) in search of the next group of ogres. You're constantly accompanied by small armies of NPCs, babbling repetitive and hugely irritating battle cries and commentary.

All they ever really say is, "Oh noes! More ogres!", which is exactly what you'll be saying after 15 levels. Zangeki is amazingly repetitive. You kill ogres, and you can do so for 40 hours if the will possesses you, with both characters, over 5 difficulty levels. There's a full online mode, too, playable in four-player co-op, but anything you've unlocked in the single-player doesn't count, so you have to start again from the very beginning. You certainly can't fault the game for a lack of content.

There's not much to break up the senseless slaughter, but Zangeki's occasional attempts at set-piecing are extremely funny. Huge bosses and your NPC army will wait patiently at a gate for you to catch up, looking at each other awkwardly, before proceeding with the scripted gate-rush. Ogres on rhinos will stand stock-still until you walk within the right range of them, and then proceed to gallop in circles, stopping stock still again when you walk away from them.

The cut-scenes are awful, too. Trying to tell a story with animated cut-scenes and characters and everything when you apparently have £145 in your development budget it a terrible idea. Earth Defence Force gave us ants and told us to shoot at the ants, because the ants were bad. That's really all we needed. Zangeki's attempt at Norse mythology needlessly overcomplicates things.

'Zangeki no Reginleiv' Screenshot 2

Some girls' ogres are bigger than other girls' ogres.

Glinting through all this awfulness are moments of greatness: when limbless ogres get caught on the scenery and jerk pathetically about, gurning gormlessly; or when a hammer strike makes four of five of the big bastards explode into meaty chunks at once, and you can barely see through the hilariously terrible blood effects; or when you're fed up of slicing up orcs and suddenly an elephant with four tusks and an axe tied to its trunk appears out of nowhere, or spaceships arise from the sea and start beaming down yet more ogres (the story explains nothing about why any of this might be happening). It's shonky as all hell, but Zangeki is rarely boring.

It's a Sandlot game through and through, built with a charming mixture of incompetence and a fantastic understanding of the ludicrous. But where Earth Defence Force 2017 is enjoyable because it's a bit rubbish, Zangeki no Reginliev is enjoyable despite it, and only inconsistently. There's another crucial difference, too. EDF cost £20 and you could buy it in a shop, while Zangeki costs £45 plus shipping and customs charges, and you have to buy it from the internet.

It's impossible to recommend actually spending money on it unless you're very rich and have a very strong affection for terrible videogames. If that's you, you'll definitely enjoy yourself.

5/10

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Thu, 20 May 2010 02:26:36
No.

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Thu, 20 May 2010 03:40:06
That's a shame.

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Thu, 20 May 2010 03:48:42

Foolz said:
That's a shame.

 Yeah, thread title was prophetical. 

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Thu, 20 May 2010 09:50:09

This is pretty big caveat.

There's another crucial difference, too. EDF cost £20 and you could buy it in a shop, while Zangeki costs £45 plus shipping and customs charges, and you have to buy it from the internet.

It's impossible to recommend actually spending money on it unless you're very rich and have a very strong affection for terrible videogames. If that's you, you'll definitely enjoy yourself.

So EDF is only well loved because it was cheap to buy? I doubt the UK reviewer could have even read or understood the story in Zangeki let alone the tutorials, given the whole game is in Japanese.

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Thu, 20 May 2010 21:14:31

gamingeek said:

This is pretty big caveat.

There's another crucial difference, too. EDF cost £20 and you could buy it in a shop, while Zangeki costs £45 plus shipping and customs charges, and you have to buy it from the internet.

It's impossible to recommend actually spending money on it unless you're very rich and have a very strong affection for terrible videogames. If that's you, you'll definitely enjoy yourself.

So EDF is only well loved because it was cheap to buy? I doubt the UK reviewer could have even read or understood the story in Zangeki let alone the tutorials, given the whole game is in Japanese.

 This review is meaningless.  EDF is not a bad game on any level, saying that people like bad games if they are cheap is utter bullshit.  How many people went and changed their reviews once Too Human went down to $20?  "At $60 this game sucked, but now it's cheap, man, it kind of rules".

Price provides no mitigation whatsoever, try playing Hail to the Chimp sometime, it can be had for $5 almost everywhere.

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