Oh yeah, I tested out the same 4:3 on widescreen HDTV on the 50" Samsung and it worked much better too.
Dont know why but its just far better for Wii, you guys with HDTVs should try it.
Anyhow, with the right games and the Resolution Plus on the Regza I am basically playing some Wii games in 1080p.
With LKS it picks up all the little details and the blur of the oversaturated lighting doesn't affect the picture as much.
With COD Reflex, whoa. I mean its a middling looking game not close to MP3 or Extraction but hey when it's scaled up to 1080p it's not only crisper, it brings out the details, it's like for this game in particular I get a graphics boost. The scaling works so well it looks like a PC game resolution (with LQ assets).
Mario Galaxy looks superb, there is slight pixelisation around the edges of some objects but on the whole it looks fantastic.
Then I plugged in Metroid Prime 3 which looked good enough in widescreen, but..... but when I kicked it into 4:3....
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OMG I am basically playing Metroid Prime 3 at 1080p. It's crisp and I mean CRISP. So fluid and colourful it almost burns my retina's out. The textures are superb and.... and.
Well until now the holy grail had been getting an HD picture that looked at least as good as an SD one. With some games, the Regza TV makes Wii look better.
It's not wholly successful though as some games look better when they are displayed soft as they are meant to me. Overkill has a filter over it and wii bloom, playing it in 1080p makes it noticibly sharper but that sharpness brings out imperfections around the edges of character models. Of course I can always turn down resolution plus.
Some games don't have that big of a benefit, Another code r has jaggies around the hair which is distracting and NSMB small character models don't benefit awesomely either.
Oh, Endless Ocean comes out looking pretty sharp and sweet. Can't wait for the sequel
*reads previous post*
How can it nto get squashed?
It doesn't get squashed.
Update on the Coosis HD Universal Converter.
I tried it on GC with an RGB scart cable as oppossed to playing a GC game through Wii.
Seems to work pretty well. In fact, the picture is good enough that I have decided to keep it, which says a lot given its almost $100 price tag.
I can play RE4 without wanting to vomit. I tried F-Zero GX, no lag whatsoever. Tried Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker. All good, better for sure over the HDTVs own scaling.
And putting the TV into 4:3 again works wonders with the picture. Euro GC games weren't widescreen or progressive anyway so the way the picture is suppossed to look is 4:3
Now let me say this, wipe all these illusions you have in your head about getting PS2 or GC in perfect jag free HD resolutions out of your head. What this box does is improve the picture, you wont get a perfect clean picture, it still looks better on an SDTV.
But HDTV makes SD sources on the whole look like shite. This box definetely improves the look of SD games on an HDTV. It's a pretty decent improvement and now I can play GC games without wanting to cry.
Quite happy with this. Also, it's plug and play as oppossed to the Mega Cool box VGA bullshit. It outputs one resolution: 720p and it works.
I was chatting to a GAF guy about Wii on HDTVs and he said:
Zigg:
I'm pretty sure Rabbids is the same here in the U.S., though I admit I'm not up on European TV standards. It gets letterboxed when the Wii's in 4:3 mode, which I've used when I played it on the old CRT downstairs. That makes it (roughly) a 640x360 picture (60 pixels on top and bottom are dedicated to the letterbox bars)... pixels either square or nearly so.
What makes a Wii in widescreen look worse than one in 4:3 is that it uses that same 640x480, but then counts on the TV to stretch the pixels horizontally. This means fewer pixels are being used to draw the same thing, resulting in a more jagged look, less sharpness, etc. But because the Wii is drawing things taller, a square is still a square when it eventually gets displayed.
But if you let the Wii think it is outputting widescreen, then tell the TV that it's actually being fed a 4:3 picture, those pixels get squished back to the same size as they would be. They become just as sharp as they were in 4:3 mode once again, but a circle that would be round is now 1/3 taller than it would be otherwise. Effectively, taking that letterboxed image from the 4:3 game and stretching it vertically until the letterboxed bars are gone
I am pretty sure you are squishing your games. But I guess if it doesn't bother you, more power to you. Doing what I just descreibed above is over the limit of what would bother me.
That's a great description. It seems like wii in widescreen is taking the 4:3 picture and stretching it across the screen. Putting your TV in 4:3 makes everything sharper and clearer. I've tried leaving the wii settings in 4:3 and the TV in 4:3 and it's the same difference, looks just as sharp.
Personally I dont like having many games letterboxed so I leave the wii in 16:9 and I really don't notice any ratio differences. None of the picture is cut off. I guess everything technically should be taller and longer but it all looks fine to me and the picture is so much better its best to leave it that way.
angrymonkey said:Haven't read the whole thread but I don't even get the ratio aspect thing. I have a sharp aquos with 4 aspect settings. Only in the widescreen(stretch) do spheres look like spheres. Every other setting distorts them one way or another.(with the wii set to widescreen)
Have you tried just leaving wii in 4:3 and putting it to 4:3 on your TV? See if the picture is better?
What size is your TV BTW?
I spent the evening helping her set it up and explaining the features. We also tried several Wii games. I have to say I'm very pleased by how good the Wii looks on her HDTV! It looks waaaaaaay better than it did on my dad's 40" 1080p Toshiba. It looks only a slightly more jaggy/blurry than it does on my SDTV, and there was no noticeable gameplay lag either. Looks like I've found the HDTV I will be upgrading to soon! All I need now is $400.
GG, I tried your Wii picture trick, and it did not work on my sister's HDTV. I set the Wii to widescreen and her HDTV to 4:3, but the picture was squished and there was absolutely no improvement in picture quality at all. In fact, it looked worse. Maybe HDTVs work differently here than in your neck of the woods?
Did you try just putting wii and the TV in 4:3, vs having it in 16:9?
I think that it works best on larger TVs. I'm using a 50 inch and a 42 inch.
Generally the smaller the TV the better the picture is, I tested a 17inch HDTV and it looked a lot better there to.
Is it a regza BTW? Does it have resolution + ?
If you go into advanced picture settings you should be able to see and adjust it.
Ravenprose said:Looks like I've found the HDTV I will be upgrading to soon! All I need now is $400.
If you want to earn that money the hard way just let me know. I hear you Colorado boys are awfully sweet.
Dark Robio said:Ravenprose said:Looks like I've found the HDTV I will be upgrading to soon! All I need now is $400.If you want to earn that money the hard way just let me know. I hear you Colorado boys are awfully sweet.
MIYAMOTO HELP!!!
Okay Coosis box.
Not bad, pretty decent actually. At full screen (widescreen) it gives me a noticibly sharper picture on the HDTV.
However it gives a very faint pattern of transluscent diagonal lines. It's barely noticible though. On occasion, very rarely you see the odd green artifact.
It changes the colour hue very slightly, which you can fix with your TV settings.
Overall its easy to install, easy to use and works to an extent. I would say get it if your picture is absolute ass on your HDTV, you will see a marginal improvement, just don't go expecting the world. (using components BTW)
As for GC games 480i, not so good. Improved yes but the margin of improvement is less and the jaggies are still there. Still better than the TV by itself though.
However, for me, putting the TV in 4:3 and cranking up Resolution Plus on the Regza works wonders (not so much on GC games though) so I am going to stick with that and return this.