The future structure of Insert Coin (Important!!!)
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@Angry Beaver
Well we all have different ways of updating. There are no standards all is fair game.
@Foolz and Darth
Thanks for the comments
@aspro
Agreed, functionality and clarity and the forums are important. But also the look is important. If our frontpage look nice, than we will have greater change of attracting more people. Why are you sorry?
@Yoda
I knew I could count on you to give a good comment. Now first I shall ignore your idea of public updating, and later I shall take it into account.
About the pictures
The pace of the picture will be fixed, so it is the guys duty, to fit it in or put more pictures in it. So I suggest a way to strech pictures to make it easier.
About Satire
I am all for it! It is possible with this stucture. We could also use the picture space for that also.
About updating
This way is used is designed specifically for minimising our workload. This shall not make our workload much bigger. The paragraph rule is made so that we do not need a editor, because we do not have one.
This was just to create a first step of the newspaper idea, and build a community. I still want to have an editor and stuff, but it seems to be to much work.
At least our frontpage will look prettier, and hopefully more people will be attracted to it.
I will adress your GGweekly idea later!
Well we all have different ways of updating. There are no standards all is fair game.
@Foolz and Darth
Thanks for the comments
@aspro
Agreed, functionality and clarity and the forums are important. But also the look is important. If our frontpage look nice, than we will have greater change of attracting more people. Why are you sorry?
@Yoda
I knew I could count on you to give a good comment. Now first I shall ignore your idea of public updating, and later I shall take it into account.
About the pictures
The pace of the picture will be fixed, so it is the guys duty, to fit it in or put more pictures in it. So I suggest a way to strech pictures to make it easier.
About Satire
I am all for it! It is possible with this stucture. We could also use the picture space for that also.
About updating
This way is used is designed specifically for minimising our workload. This shall not make our workload much bigger. The paragraph rule is made so that we do not need a editor, because we do not have one.
This was just to create a first step of the newspaper idea, and build a community. I still want to have an editor and stuff, but it seems to be to much work.
At least our frontpage will look prettier, and hopefully more people will be attracted to it.
I will adress your GGweekly idea later!
@Yoda again
When we let everyone do their updates, we need to watch out for the duplicate data. This could be avoided by checking if the link already is used. And perhaps when in your title is Mario, all the Mario news of the week will be shown to make sure that it is not a duplicate.
About the chaotic structure, well it is supposed to look like a job vacancies page in a newspaper, they are usually chaotic in looks too. So that will not matter.
But the most important part is the decrease of workload. With that load gone, we can focus on the newspaper construction. Finding a editor and stuff will be easier because we are not bogged down scouring the net for news.
So my suggestion is to go ahead with my idea. Than in the meantime we (read mostly you) try to get GG weekly public for everyone. Than we can look and organize an editorial team.
Hopefully the improved look and forums will increase our members. We need to grow!
When we let everyone do their updates, we need to watch out for the duplicate data. This could be avoided by checking if the link already is used. And perhaps when in your title is Mario, all the Mario news of the week will be shown to make sure that it is not a duplicate.
About the chaotic structure, well it is supposed to look like a job vacancies page in a newspaper, they are usually chaotic in looks too. So that will not matter.
But the most important part is the decrease of workload. With that load gone, we can focus on the newspaper construction. Finding a editor and stuff will be easier because we are not bogged down scouring the net for news.
So my suggestion is to go ahead with my idea. Than in the meantime we (read mostly you) try to get GG weekly public for everyone. Than we can look and organize an editorial team.
Hopefully the improved look and forums will increase our members. We need to grow!
While the look of the site is important, I believe it's the lack of forums that's mostly keeping people away from the site, and really should be the top priority right now.
I suggest keeping the look of the site the same for now, and adding more features like forums, previews, editorials, ect., then expanding on the cool newspaper look after those are locked into place.
I suggest keeping the look of the site the same for now, and adding more features like forums, previews, editorials, ect., then expanding on the cool newspaper look after those are locked into place.
Aspro is here? Where the hell have you been fella?
There is too much to read at the moment, I will have to read the comments and get back to you guys.
There is too much to read at the moment, I will have to read the comments and get back to you guys.
BTW I disagree having GGWeekly open for public use.
I think forums should address that need.
I think forums should address that need.
Beaver, we judge big news just on our guts. It's pretty obvious most of the time. The zelda wishlist thing, well you would have to rely on someone posting the link in the forums as far as I'm concerned. If it were up to me I would have a continually updated front page that is focused on news alone and writing it in an engaging way.
If we had some more volunteers we could keep GGWeekly running at the same time, but we were stretched before and now with hires unable to post it's getting ridiculous. It's only because Iga is doing more than his fair share that we have kept things going. If you guys can convince a few more people over for instance ASK Story is at the top of my list along with selbie and others, than we can grow a bit more.
I think having a publically accessible GGWeekly is unfeasible, it's open to abuse and people can screw around. I'm wary even at the moment of being able to post without having an account here actually. If some A-hole comes in, he can really screw around, even pose as a regular who cant log on. But also it would be a mess, we would have stories repeated endlessly and moderating would be as much work as posting. Plus this is the kind of thing that forums are for, people would post things that excite them there.
@Yo
I think you can have a set size for pics and just auto-resize them? I have a simple program which I can use to submit my pics at custom pixel resolution.
I think automating the process is a great idea for news updates. We should have a word limit but I think it might be too much asking for an editor at this point. We should keep the articles to a certain size and just trust eachother to write well and give suggestions here and there on a private board.
I really think we can have the best of both worlds in a site that doesn't all go up in one go and still has a good in-house style to it.
@Raven. I think the newspaper look will be fairly easy to implement, especially given how iga has outlined the automatic way stories shift around. Forums are a must for people who want to talk about specific issues though.
If we had some more volunteers we could keep GGWeekly running at the same time, but we were stretched before and now with hires unable to post it's getting ridiculous. It's only because Iga is doing more than his fair share that we have kept things going. If you guys can convince a few more people over for instance ASK Story is at the top of my list along with selbie and others, than we can grow a bit more.
I think having a publically accessible GGWeekly is unfeasible, it's open to abuse and people can screw around. I'm wary even at the moment of being able to post without having an account here actually. If some A-hole comes in, he can really screw around, even pose as a regular who cant log on. But also it would be a mess, we would have stories repeated endlessly and moderating would be as much work as posting. Plus this is the kind of thing that forums are for, people would post things that excite them there.
@Yo
I think you can have a set size for pics and just auto-resize them? I have a simple program which I can use to submit my pics at custom pixel resolution.
I think automating the process is a great idea for news updates. We should have a word limit but I think it might be too much asking for an editor at this point. We should keep the articles to a certain size and just trust eachother to write well and give suggestions here and there on a private board.
I really think we can have the best of both worlds in a site that doesn't all go up in one go and still has a good in-house style to it.
@Raven. I think the newspaper look will be fairly easy to implement, especially given how iga has outlined the automatic way stories shift around. Forums are a must for people who want to talk about specific issues though.
@Gigi
Be not so quick to cut GG weekly. I think we sould keep it for now, and discuss on our new forums what the next step should be! And making it open to the public can decrease our workload, but I want to hear Yoda's plan how to minimise duplicate news and how to stop people taking advantage of it.
@Yoda, can you give us an idea, how you want to make GG weekly work? I am really curious, can we also automate the process a bit?
Be not so quick to cut GG weekly. I think we sould keep it for now, and discuss on our new forums what the next step should be! And making it open to the public can decrease our workload, but I want to hear Yoda's plan how to minimise duplicate news and how to stop people taking advantage of it.
@Yoda, can you give us an idea, how you want to make GG weekly work? I am really curious, can we also automate the process a bit?
We get a lot of a lot of extra news items linked to in the comments. Without GG Weekly, there'll be more of "oh, did you see this?" kind of posts.
I want it so that whenever someone has a link that they want to talk about, instead of just putting it in their post or topic, add it to the GG Weekly page. It would be like a bulletin board for gaming news.
Obviously if we got a large influx in numbers it would increasingly get less effective, but that's not immediate and not even sustainable; until I get a paid server we can't handle singnificant growth anyway. Similarly, Guest commenting is only available because it's not abused. If it became an issue, there would be more to it; the sign-up process is also vulnerable to abuse I know, but for now I opt for convenience to the user. That's what GG Weekly is, a convenience.
If I had captcha's and post-frequency limitations and just complete lock-down, that would be a currently unnecessary drawback.
Links are the obvious first check for automated duplicates. I can also write a generic SQL LIKE search to pick up similar stories, then do a more advanced filter in PHP.
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For a radically different approach, though, I could completely generate GG Weekly based on links in forum posts. Any link that is to a known gaming site (IGN, GameSpot, 1up, Kotaku, Neogaf, etc.) would be collected and generated (of course filtering out duplicates for quoting and such).
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And for pictures, the problem is that the layout will be flexible width. For your layout mock-up, that picture only works if all the columns are the right width. In a flexible width design, the columns would expand or shrink based on the settings of the user. As I said, every time an image gets added, the messier it is to manage. One could be worked in, two would be pushing it but possible.
I want it so that whenever someone has a link that they want to talk about, instead of just putting it in their post or topic, add it to the GG Weekly page. It would be like a bulletin board for gaming news.
Obviously if we got a large influx in numbers it would increasingly get less effective, but that's not immediate and not even sustainable; until I get a paid server we can't handle singnificant growth anyway. Similarly, Guest commenting is only available because it's not abused. If it became an issue, there would be more to it; the sign-up process is also vulnerable to abuse I know, but for now I opt for convenience to the user. That's what GG Weekly is, a convenience.
If I had captcha's and post-frequency limitations and just complete lock-down, that would be a currently unnecessary drawback.
Links are the obvious first check for automated duplicates. I can also write a generic SQL LIKE search to pick up similar stories, then do a more advanced filter in PHP.
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For a radically different approach, though, I could completely generate GG Weekly based on links in forum posts. Any link that is to a known gaming site (IGN, GameSpot, 1up, Kotaku, Neogaf, etc.) would be collected and generated (of course filtering out duplicates for quoting and such).
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And for pictures, the problem is that the layout will be flexible width. For your layout mock-up, that picture only works if all the columns are the right width. In a flexible width design, the columns would expand or shrink based on the settings of the user. As I said, every time an image gets added, the messier it is to manage. One could be worked in, two would be pushing it but possible.
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Tell me to get back to rewriting this site so it's not horrible on mobile
If you would have me back, I could post on weekdays after I get done with class...But I have an entirely different schedule now that school has started, as this semester is going to be hell. I think Iga has been doing a better job than I could have ever done, however.
Killer stuff, IGA. I love every single feature in here.
And fuck you.
And fuck you.
@HiRes
It's not a question of having you back. You're still a part of this place as far as I'm concerned. You just have to let us know what you can commit to and let us know in advance when you are unavailible. I would love to have some extra help with news posting.
I don't know how things are going here though. I think Yo's idea of open posting might be a good idea but only for those currently with accounts as we all know and trust each other here anyway.
It's not a question of having you back. You're still a part of this place as far as I'm concerned. You just have to let us know what you can commit to and let us know in advance when you are unavailible. I would love to have some extra help with news posting.
I don't know how things are going here though. I think Yo's idea of open posting might be a good idea but only for those currently with accounts as we all know and trust each other here anyway.
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