To be honest, game installs and daily internet connections are not issues for me. I hardly ever rent games anymore and I haven't borrowed or lent a game since forever and barring some catastrophic, once every few years, event I haven't been without internet for the better part of the past 8 or 10 years, so the draconian DRM stuff doesn't really affect me beyond an ethical point of view.
I guess the main thing is that the focus of the system seems too diluted among social stuff, live TV, apps, movies and whatnot, with games being shoved in there as only a bullet point instead of being the core of the whole thing. I have not renewed my XBLive subscription because there's nothing for me anymore, most of my multiplayer gaming takes place on PC anyway and contrary to the start of the current generation of consoles, now I own a capable gaming system that I'll keep upgrading in the coming months. Couple that with limited gaming time and it becomes a case of biting more than one can chew.
It's not practical for me to own all systems, it never was but I was stubborn this time and for the first time in my life I wanted to get all three home consoles, which was expensive and to be honest a waste of money since I couldn't even play let alone finish most of the games in my libraries. I had good times with all of them but it's something I won't do again. PC gaming will be my bread and butter for the most part, and I might get a console a couple years down the road if the price is right and the games offered appeal to me. I'm pretty sure there will be enough quality games to enjoy, it's just that what Microsoft is offering is not exactly what I want right now. Maybe in time things will change, maybe not.
Everything that used to be simple is now a huge hassle. You used to simply buy a game and put it in to play. Now you buy a game, activate a code, install it, cant use that disc outside your account, cant have an option to not have it installed. How big are these games 20-30 gigs, what happens when we fill that 500G HDD, its going to be annoying as hell to delete and reinstall crap. The number one reason to own a physical copy is first, it is yours to do as you will and second it doesnt need to be fully installed saving space and time. I dont like digital cause it takes up too much space and if a system breaks redownloading everything is a major pain in the ass. MS is basically making physical copies digital copies, its bullshit.
Plus having no rentals, go to hell, I dont want to buy every game. Never borrowing a game, again fuck you.
The main thing, which I believe will have a fix, is what happens when the serves shut down years from now, are all those games now dead. I am sure they have a plan for that. Still this year I had no internet for a week cause of some connection issue in the neighborhood, a 24 hour check is not going to cut it.
Oh and have games I want. And no mandatory Xbox Live or do what Sony does and give us free games.
Okay so let's add:
-Non-gaming, social/TV focus
-Game installs will eat hard drive space
-Game installs will waste time
-Hard drive failure will cause a huge pain in the ass
-No rentals
-Unreliable Internet = no access to games
-Not futureproof if servers are shut down
Oh boy, this is worse than I thought.
Dvader said:Everything that used to be simple is now a huge hassle. You used to simply buy a game and put it in to play. Now you buy a game, activate a code, install it, cant use that disc outside your account, cant have an option to not have it installed. How big are these games 20-30 gigs, what happens when we fill that 500G HDD, its going to be annoying as hell to delete and reinstall crap. The number one reason to own a physical copy is first, it is yours to do as you will and second it doesnt need to be fully installed saving space and time. I dont like digital cause it takes up too much space and if a system breaks redownloading everything is a major pain in the ass. MS is basically making physical copies digital copies, its bullshit.
Plus having no rentals, go to hell, I dont want to buy every game. Never borrowing a game, again fuck you.
The main thing, which I believe will have a fix, is what happens when the serves shut down years from now, are all those games now dead. I am sure they have a plan for that. Still this year I had no internet for a week cause of some connection issue in the neighborhood, a 24 hour check is not going to cut it.
Oh and have games I want. And no mandatory Xbox Live or do what Sony does and give us free games.
My power used to go out everytime it rained; Yesterday my internet went out 5 times because Comcast was doing maintence in my area.
SUPER MARIO MAKER LEVELS:
- SMB Mix-Up! (1AB2-0000-0047-5A7D)
- Storm the Castle (77BD-0000-00E0-A9C0)
Microsoft will monitor the number of people in the room that are watching a movie, tv show, or listening to music with Kinect 2.0
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/14887/article/microsoft-trademarks-new-per-view-content-system-for-xbox-one/
"Consumers are presented with a content selection and a choice of licenses allowing consumption of the content. The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken."
Based on the description of the technology developed for the patent it seems likely Microsoft will use the Kinect sensor, which is mandatory with Xbox One, to monitor the number of people present while watching a TV show, movie or music on the device. Presumably, should the content be consumed by too many people Xbox One owners will need to pay again.
SUPER MARIO MAKER LEVELS:
- SMB Mix-Up! (1AB2-0000-0047-5A7D)
- Storm the Castle (77BD-0000-00E0-A9C0)
The hell is this?
The perfect console for conspiracy theorists.
Nintyfan17 said:Microsoft will monitor the number of people in the room that are watching a movie, tv show, or listening to music with Kinect 2.0
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/14887/article/microsoft-trademarks-new-per-view-content-system-for-xbox-one/
"Consumers are presented with a content selection and a choice of licenses allowing consumption of the content. The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken."
Based on the description of the technology developed for the patent it seems likely Microsoft will use the Kinect sensor, which is mandatory with Xbox One, to monitor the number of people present while watching a TV show, movie or music on the device. Presumably, should the content be consumed by too many people Xbox One owners will need to pay again.
That is really old and so far we have no clue if it will ever happen.
As Vader said, game consoles are supposed to keep gaming simple, Xbone is the opposite of simple. Modern gaming is becoming too much of a hassle.
Pretty much everything that has been said I agree with. How about people out in the middle of nowhere who have no internet, or very crap internet? They are fucked. (Or maybe blessed...since they don't have to buy this crap)
Microsoft is taking the worst aspects of PC gaming and trying to apply it to consoles. Then like Steel said, gaming isn't even the main event on this machine...no matter how they spin it.
Such a long way they have fallen since launching the original Xbox, where they went out of their way to be the hardcore gamers dream. And the funny thing is, I'm not surprised one bit.
As much as I like some of their exclusive franchises, I can't support this system with the direction its going. And honestly, Nintendo, Sony, and my PC will be more than I can handle anyway.
I like the controller though....I'll pick one up for the PC. lol
Okay so I have updated the list of complaints.
- Game installs are mandatory, which means for piracy prevention used games have to be.... re-registered, charged?
- System has to connect to the internet once daily to check your licence status or it won't work?
- Non-gaming, social/TV focus
- Game installs will eat hard drive space
- Game installs will waste time
- Hard drive failure will cause a huge pain in the ass
- No rentals
- Unreliable Internet = no access to games
- Not futureproof if servers are shut down
So what MS policy changes could satisfy you? A limited time period - games over 3 years old won't need registering? Various price tiers depending on age of game? System has to be connected online once a week?
With a lot of games you put them into modern machines it connects to the internet automatically and downloads an update. What if the way the machine connected to the internet to check was invisible or in the background like how internet security software auto checks the licence?
So you get a game and install it, seeing how games can be 20gb these days that would take how long? 10 minutes or more depending on the speed of the drive? Then the system auto checks the internet to check its valid which takes, seconds. Then you're playing right? Not so bad?
On used games or rentals, what if the system asked you, is this a rental, borrowed, bought? Then if it's a rental you get a limited number of uses like with Wii U/3DS demos or a 3 day limit for playing rented game? If the game is borrowed from a friend it would deactivate it on your friends machine whilst you had it and then reactivated it when you gave it back? And it gave you two weeks to play it?
What if it checked online not every 24 hours but once a week?
Let's see, 500gb HDD, a "significant" portion eaten up by the OS for the sake of argument say 100GB. So if each game is 20gb and you have 400gb you will be able to install 20 games. Assuming a lot of games are less than 20gb let's say 30 games. Not bad right? Right?! 
So it seems every issue this system has stems from game installs so the only way to fix it would be to not allow game installs and have games running off the disc, problem solved right? 
I'm suprised no one mentioned that the huge OS eats up like 30% of system resources meaning less resources dedicated to games? The interviews said that they partitioned off the resources for non-gaming so developers had a constant solid spec to work off of outside of the OS. MS says it eats up 3GB of RAM which is like full on Windows like RAM gobbling and it probably uses a couple of CPU cores too, Kinect was rumoured to use a couple by itself.
What about the Cloud, any thoughts?
Nobody worried about how the Kinect will always be watching and listening to you? Imagine if Obama bought one, it would be immediately hacked by the Chinese so they could listen.
Kotaku said:A game running on Xbox One: The game is loaded in memory and is fully running. The game has full access to the reserved system resources, which are six CPU cores, 90 percent of GPU processing power, and 5 GB of memory. The game is rendering full-screen and the user can interact with it.
Fuuu, Xbox One uses 2 CPU cores, 3gb RAM and 10% of the GPU power just for the operating system - games cannot access that.
I don't like that Xbone and PS4 will have mandatory cameras. I don't have much room to place one near my TV, and they are fugly anyway. I have PS Move, and the camera is unplugged and put away when I'm not using it. And while I'm usually not a conspiracy theorist, having mandatory daily internet updates plus cameras does worry me. I disabled my laptop's web camera when it turned itself on one day when I was just surfing random internet sites.
Ravenprose said:I disabled my laptop's web camera when it turned itself on one day when I was just surfing random internet sites.
Random? You mean porn. 
gamingeek said:Random? You mean porn.
Of course.
Ravenprose said:gamingeek said:Random? You mean porn.
Of course.
And when you say "when it turned itself on one day" you mean when Godmode hacked your webcam to watch you jerk off?
gamingeek said:And when you say "when it turned itself on one day" you mean when Godmode hacked your webcam to watch you jerk off?
I hadn't thought of that. 
I hope he wasn't jealous of my massive wang.
LOL
Yeah I'm not a fan of Kinect either. Especially watching what I'm doing. Now I really wish the rumors about Nintendo rebuying Rare were true. At least they'd have all their IP's, even if they aren't what they used to be.
No, seriously let's make a list of reasons and see what MS can do to satisfy you.
So what MS policy changes could satisfy you? A limited time period - games over 3 years old won't need registering? Various price tiers depending on age of game? System has to be connected online once a week?