So it's been a while, updating the news. Like some have said it's a fairly thankless process, people are quick to point out when you've made an error on 1 story - even though you posted 15 other A-okay updates on the same day.

I've talked with other people about updating the news page and we share similar concerns. So I'd like to talk you through how I post the news and why things are the way they are. So the next time things appear hinky, please bear all this in mind so I don't have to repeat the same stuff again. Some of this applies to other people who update too, but I'm sure each person has their own process and quirks.

TO START WITH

Okay, so first off I hit gonintendo, they seem to report a lot of stuff and it's in a blog form so it's not easy just reading a list of updates, it takes a while to scroll through everything. This is why the bottom of the column updates are usually Nintendo stories, because I post it earlier in the day to get it out of the way.

FOREIGN LANGUAGE SITES

Then I hit up a couple of useful foreign language sites, because of this please note it when the headlines are not 100% right. I am either giving an educated guess based on things I can sort of read' or babelfish translating it. I only speak english so don't cut my nuts when I get it slightly off. Also note that because I do not speak foreign languages and because we all speak english here, posting a link to a spanish story (for instance) is of benefit to very few people here. So I sometimes have to link to translations done by other people on other forums or sites. This does not invalidate the news, but posting the original link would be of little use to most people here and the translation is much more useful.

MULTIPLATFORM SITES

I usually visit multiplatform sites towards the end of my updating session so you will see more stories on PC, PS3, Xbox stories near the top of the page once I am finished. Then I go onto NeoGaf to pick up the dregs of whatever I may have missed. I tend not to go to platform specific sites, so if you want really in depth coverage of Vita or whatever I cannot service you - I simply do not have the time. I post what I am immediately interested in and what I think will immediately interest others.

I only hit up one Japanese centric site, a lot of the Japanese stuff is in unreadable Kanji.

THERE IS RED ALL OVER THE PAGES

Nintendo stories are red, you may see a lot of red and complain about how it's all Nintendo. Please bear in mind that Nintendo platforms do not get a lot of multiplatform support. So there are many PC or Xbox and PS3 games that get posted with no colour. If you take the time and do the math, add up all the red stories of the day and then add up all the colourless stories and green and blue you will see more of a balance. I cannot paint a story blue because it's on PS3 when it's also coming to PC and 360 too.

I ONLY POST 30% OF WHAT I SEE

There is so much stuff daily and most of it is pointless or really uninteresting. Here, random story of the day I just spotted: League of Legends Varus gameplay trailer

I have no fricking idea what this is. Sure there may be someone who is really into League of Legends, I have no idea what it is, have never seen anyone here talking about it so I do not post the link. I do not have time to do everything.

CVG IS A TABLOID NEWSPAPER

That's their business, they like to stir up shit, they are a tabloid newspaper in gaming news terms. They always try to sensationalise everything but they are current and do update regularly and have the whole of the futurenetwork to draw upon. So they are a good source of gaming news if you can get past the sensationalism.

MAKING THINGS INTERESTING

On that note, sometimes there are quiet days on the news page, or not much interesting going on on the vgpress. We have times where there is not much to talk about. So in some news updates, I do sometimes sensationalise and mix things up, throw in a glib comment here and there to get someone to say something. Bear in mind that I'm not trying to piss you off or denegrate your favourite game or studio, I'm just trying to get some kind of discussion going on and sometimes you have to pluck a hair off someones back to wake them up. Despite some altercations I have had with some people here, I genuinely hold no animosity towards anyone at the moment - not even you, yes you know who you are.

BIG NEWS: BLACK HIGHLIGHTED STORIES

Now this one will annoy people, you see some things listed as big news others not. Usually I use the big story colouring when there is the first review of a game, or first announcement of a game. If a reviews embargo ends and there are more than several reviews on the same day I just highlight the first or the single best or most controversial. Otherwise I just use the big story colour to bring your attention to an interesting article or to get someones attention if there is a time critical sale or deal or news that I know someone will have a particular interest in. It's a way to make sure that for instance (X forumer) doesn't miss out on free download content or so that Canadian forumers know about some great game sale.

I LIKE READING RUMOURS

Some people are weird, they hate rumours, they hate being teased, they hate seeing it labelled as news. I love rumours, I want to know everything I want most rumours to be true  and I like imagining what things could be like. When I post rumours I  usually label them as RUMOR: or I put a question mark after it:

Report: New Xbox being manurfactured at the moment?

It may not say rumour but when there is a ? mark at the end please note that it's there to denote that the story is not a sure thing. A lot of rumours turn out to be true, so please don't go nuts when there are rumours posted in the news, it's usually the rumours that get people talking here the most.

THERE IS A CHARACTER LIMIT!

This makes the headlines quite annoying sometimes, things either have to be chopped down, re-worded or paraphrased to get a representative headline. Sometimes you have to bastardise a headline just to get something vaguely coherent up. This is not something I have control of, I do my best but sometimes you are forced to do a hack job just because the headline will not fit! Don't hate me for this.

DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER

Just because I post a story or editorial does not mean I agree with it. Remember this. I am here to deliver the news, not to filter and read and judge everything. If you do not like a particular story and have an issue with it, that is fine, but please do not shoot the messenger. Your issue is with the writer of the article or the content in it. Please leave me out of it.

"Shooting the messenger" is a metaphoric phrase used to describe the act of lashing out at the (blameless) bearer of bad news.

I DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ EVERYTHING BEFORE POSTING IT

This relates to shooting the messenger. When people do updates en masse they are trying to get through and post a whole lot of news in not much time. We do not have time to read the content of each and every article we post. There are a whole bunch of sites with a whole lot of links and we are just trying to process them and get them up as links for you to click on. When you have a problem with a story, please note that the updaters have not neccesarily looked behind the one line headline when we post it.

NEOGAF IS A VALID SOURCE

I know it's massive forum and that there can be a lot of trolling and system wars, but it is a gold mine of information. It is the single most important gaming forum on the internet. All the sites you know like Gamespot, IGN, Eurogamer, CVG etc get a lot of their stories from NeoGAF. When someone on GAF trawls up an unseen patent or finds concept art for a secret cancelled game, or translates some japanese business report - other sites take notice and post news based on what is said there. NeoGAF also has celebrity posters as I call them: real developers, real industry people, real analysts. They even have representatives of sites, for instance you know of the aussie website Vooks? There is a forumer there called VOOKS who writes for them and the same goes for other sites too.

I POST NEWS FOR YOU

I want people to stay in the loop, I post things that might interest my friends, I like suprising and entertaining people. I am not paid here, I do this as a kind of free service for people to read here. It's not always fun, it can be labourious, repetitive and woefully thankless. So when you do all this work for soooo long and for so little reward, when someone bites your head off (usually for one of the reasons mentioned above in the news updating process), you can snap. Others have too.

The next time you think I have made some sort of mistake, read this blog again and bring the issue to me in a nice, logical manner and I'll respond in kind. You'd probably be suprised at how fast I would be to alter a headline that was non-reflective or delete a story which is untrue. Bear in mind that everyone here can edit, post or delete stories. If you have a real problem then fix it yourself quietly instead of creating drama where it's not needed - the likelihood is that I haven't even had time to read the content of a story you take issue with! angry Or that the headline had to be a hack job to fit inside the character limit.

If you snap at me, I'm likely to do the same back, or just disappear.

That is all.

NEW SECTION: I POST LINKS WHEN I SEE THEM

Another day, another accusation because of the news posting process. On one day I posted 4 articles which were editorials from various sites about why the Wii U was a better purchase this Christmas than PS4 and XB1. This "LOL GG is a fanboy" post was then plus-ed by 3 people which means there are 4 people who think this. The reality is that I saw all 4 stories at the same time in one thread. As someone who is constantly reading and constantly looking for things to show you guys, I post what I see when I see it. So imagine you are me, you click a thread whilst reading GAF and the thread is about how Super Mario 3D world is changing peoples opinions on Wii U. In this post are links to 4 articles about the subject. As someone who is constantly updating the news each day I post the stories one after the other.

They are posted one after the other because that is when I see them. Would it make sense to post 1 of them, wait till the next day and post another, wait another day or even a couple of hours then post another? That makes no sense. When I go to Eurogamer I post all the Eurogamer stories I see one after the other, as I am on the site at that time of day. When I am on CVG I post all the stories I see there one after the other as I am on the site.

So logically when I am on GAF and see 4 articles in the same post, as a NEWS UPDATER it only makes sense for me to post them all as I see them, one after the other. It makes no sense NOT to. I explained why they were posted that way and posted a link to the thread where I saw them but no one replied or plus-ed my post. So I really don't appreciate the LULZ GG is a fanbody +1 treatment. Maybe you think this is an overeaction, but try updating the news everyday for years - LOOKING FOR INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS TO KEEP YOU ENTERTAINED AND INFORMED and then getting shit for it.

And on the other hand, really do not ignore the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of stories I have posted about how the Wii U is weak, horrible, flatlining in sales or missing publisher support. And that's been posted continuously by me for about 2 years now. No one here has posted as much negative Nintendo news as me and I never seem to get recognition for that. Whether I agree with it or not, I post it.

I'm the one who posts that news irregardless of whether it's negative or not. In fact the day before the 4 "Wii U is good" editorials I posted an analyst saying that it would sell like the Gamecube and just today I posted: Xbox One UK sales about to overtake Wii U total

So next time before jumping on the LULZ GG is a fanboy +1 train, stop and think about how the updating process is done and please stop being so silently glib. If you have something to say then say it.

Posted by gamingeek Tue, 08 May 2012 13:11:59 (comments: 25)
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Wed, 09 May 2012 08:02:52

Thanks for posting and clearing things up. I think we are all good , at least I hope so.

 
Wed, 09 May 2012 09:05:15

I only got a few words of support from GG when people had a cry over that Halo joke post. Fuck you guys and your favouritism. Nyaa

 
Wed, 09 May 2012 14:06:13
Yodariquo said:
I consider myself the overseer of this place.  I have a unique role here, so I have some unique perspectives.


1) Every once in a while, you get someone complaining about posting news.  These usually fall into 2 camps.  The first is a heavy news poster (such as GG, though I'm thinking of Aspro mainly in this example) of stating mistakes in standards of posting news, such as duplicates or poor headlines. ...



Historically that was the case, but I no longer worry about such things. I delete dupes as I see them, as hopefully people do with mine as well.

 
Wed, 09 May 2012 15:41:21

Still catching up here, this blog was not for Bear or because of Bear.


Sorry I snapped at you on the new page Bear, I'm trying to explain why I can get crabby, Aspros's post about taking on too much is definitely true. On that day, also remember a builder smashed my bedroom wall down without telling me.


I've been meaning to write this blog for a year now and finally did it because it's easier to refer someone to a point here in the future than have to go through the whole pointless squabble again and again.


I also thought it would be interesting for you guys to see the reasons behind the way things are posted. I would love to see Aspros own methods too.

SteelAttack said:

I only logged in to show my full support to GG on this.

bugsonglass said:

GG you shouldn't feel the need to explain yourself.  Most people here understand the work and the time that is involved in going through this whole process on a day to day basis and we are all thankful, grateful and appreciative.  I hope you know that even if it goes unsaid much of the time.


Thanks guys.

Dvader said:
"Bear in mind"


I see what you did there! Nyaa

Damnit, I should of said "please try and understand" damn you, pun was not intended.

aspro said:

Pretty much.

Beyond the news though there is a broader point about indiviuals who voluntarily take on too much work in a community and get little feedback other than negative. It's called "Community Burnout" which Linus Torvalds wrote about a while back.  Here is the introduction, (it is of course not unique here to you, I've had it, I'm sure Yoda has felt it from time to time as well).

Hang around the free and open source software community for any length of time, and you can't help seeing examples of burnout. A colleague takes on too much, and suddenly they're working harder for fewer results.

They have a hard time concentrating on their work. They neglect their personal life. When challenged, they become defense and unusually hostile. Eventually, they withdraw -- and, sometimes, they don't come back.

Absolutely.

Yodariquo said:
I consider myself the overseer of this place.  I have a unique role here, so I have some unique perspectives.


1) Every once in a while, you get someone complaining about posting news.  These usually fall into 2 camps.  The first is a heavy news poster (such as GG, though I'm thinking of Aspro mainly in this example) of stating mistakes in standards of posting news, such as duplicates or poor headlines.  Keep in mind that any comments like these are about the content and not personal to the poster.


The second is what gets GGs goat, and understandably.  That's when a criticism of a story gets misdirected at the poster.  Such as disliking a rumour because it's a rumour, or tabloidisms.  And for the record, don't worry about it Bear, this isn't just you.  It happens every once in a while and is largely a misunderstanding.  If there's anything to get here, it's to think for a minute before posting something that may be critical of our contributors.  They do a lot, so you can afford a little courtesy.


2) Headlines do have length limits.  I control the tools that allow the news to be posted.  I also recognize that they are far from perfect.  I've had ideas for a long time for making it better, and to my discredit, haven't made any strides in that area.  After some very long rough patches, I've neglected a lot of development here.  Posting news is more cumbersome than it needs to be, so even though I've failed to post much in the way of news, recognize the effort involved.  BTW GG, though I didn't mention it, I did increase the character limit on headlines a little over a month ago as you requested.


3) GG Weekly is the most active part of the site, by far.  There have been more comments posted to GG Weekly than all other parts of the site combined.  This little nook of the web has become its own unique and special creation of ours, and is driven by the contributions of GG and other prolific news posters.  You help make this place home.  Thank you.

Thanks for increasing the limit Yoda.

It was a problem before when you posted and then later saw that a 3rd of your headlines were chopped off at the end and you have to go in and edit them individually.

The character limit is a problem depending on the source headline, usually with about 30% of links. It means chopping it in half and copying and pasting it in two parts to the headline and the subtitle. Then you have to copy/paste the link. So if you can imagine copy/pasting 3 bits between different tabs for each link - multiply that by 15-20 for the day it can get annoying. Maybe a shared character limit would be better, so you could have a longer headline that subtracts characters from the subtitle?

That way it's adaptable to the story, you can have a longer headline, a shorter subtitle and still come in under a character limit? That might be cool.

And thanks for your post too and for the site as a whole - it's cool 97% of the time in terms of being bug-free, working well and having cool people which is a lot better than most gaming forums.

Foolz said:

I only got a few words of support from GG when people had a cry over that Halo joke post. Fuck you guys and your favouritism. Nyaa

The last thing I missed saying is that:

SUPPORT IS NEEDED

Aspro's been a great posting partner, but both of us have dropped out at one point or the other. Without help it can be brutal to keep up. But, the more news you guys post means the less that we have to. And we can enjoy reading other peoples news and not have to spend so much time trawling for and posting news. I'm not saying that anyone has to start mass updating, but imagine if everyone posted 2 stories a day?

 
Wed, 09 May 2012 16:00:44

ONE MORE THING

On rumour posting:

I said:

When I post rumours I usually label them as RUMOR: or I put a question mark after it:


Report: New Xbox being manurfactured at the moment?


It may not say rumour but when there is a ? mark at the end please note that it's there to denote that the story is not a sure thing. A lot of rumours turn out to be true, so please don't go nuts when there are rumours posted in the news, it's usually the rumours that get people talking here the most.

Please don't freak out if the ? mark is not there on the headline of the rumour. Either:

  • I've hit the key and it hasn't registered, it's a typo
  • Or the character limit has cut it off the end
  • Or I've forgotten
  • Or I've been lazy because I have another 10 stories to post
  • Or I thought people would click and read the article and decide for themselves on its validity

I didn't ever expect people to click on a story and get annoyed because they went through to a rumour. I thought they would just read the story and see that it was a rumour. But I've been mistaken a few times on this issue, which has just left me scratching my head.  

Maybe a rumour tab to tick on the updates would help?

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